
Over the past decade, Americans watched in bafflement and rage as one institution after another – from Wall Street to Congress, the Catholic Church to corporate America, even Major League Baseball – imploded under the weight of corruption and incompetence. In the wake of the Fail Decade, Americans have historically low levels of trust in their institutions; the social contract between ordinary citizens and elites lies in tatters.
How did we get here? With "Twilight of the Elites," Christopher Hayes offers a radically novel answer. Since the 1960s, as the meritocracy elevated a more diverse group of men and women into power, they learned to embrace the accelerating inequality that had placed them near the very top. Their ascension heightened social distance and spawned a new American elite--one more prone to failure and corruption than any that came before it.
PLEASE revert to the full hour segments online. The flow and pace of the show is really one of the best things about it. It no longer feels the same and in addition, there are about 10 minutes missing. I know because I counted! We can't afford a DVR and the weekend is the only time my wife can sleep in so I really have no other option but to watch online. At least TELL US SOMETHING! it's shows disrespect for the audience to just not address something that's obviously annoying a lot of people.
thank you
I just want to echo the others frustration with being unable to watch the full hour. Not to mention, the Saturday episodes seem to be out of order and I have no idea how to figure out which clip is first, which is second, and so on.
Great job by Chris Hayes. You have just made the case for same sex couples never again being able to adopt children. As the "intimacy" expressed by these couples CAN NOT produce children, surely they CAN NOT be good parents.....
I sent NUMEROUS emails last night to friends who have (to my knowledge) not become addicted as yet to UP yet...telling it was available on line, if they couldn't set their recorders as I do, (CA time is too early!) What a mistake I made....Don't mess it up like it ..MAKE one PROGRAM....not a bunch.
I hope there's somebody back there reading these posts, because there are a lot of disappointed and seriously pissed off people, out here.
It would be one thing, if unannounced you had gone to a better, easier, more user friendly format, but you yokels went ahead and seriously screwed the pooch, instead.
This show was such a joy to watch in its original format. There's an old adage;
"If it ain't broke, DON"T fix it"!!!! So WTF did you do this for? Do you not like us??
The complete show format was as trend setting as the show it self.
So what did you guys go and do,....you guys went ahead and effed it ALL up!!!
Congratulations...dummies (imagining in my mind Fred Sanford saying it.)
Pretty disgusted with the comments here that can't stop talking about pedophilia that occurred within the church. People within the church acted complicit and it was terrible. You can't blame every priest for the horrendous acts that occurred, but for Jiminy Cricket's sake, Effing Liberals! Stay on task. This is about BIRTH CONTROL and the Catholic Church. Can we stick to talking about religious freedom and the intersection of individual rights??? (I'm a liberal, don't jump me) This is an interesting enough topic on its own.
I felt Father Dailey did a great job stating the church's views that, in the mind of orthodox Catholics, birth control and abortion are one in the same, and they are morally reprehensible (however he continuously put it). Also, the Catholic Church doesn't feel like the changes made by the administration were enough to keep their religious freedom intact because they still have to pay for their employees to have insurance that covers what, to them, is a morally reprehensible killing of an individual.
That being said, I feel like it was a great step by the Obama administration. They side-stepped religious persecution by taking it out of the hands of the church and saying you have to allow individuals the right to preventive care (including birth control). However, if it's against your morals, you can have these other people take care of it. I feel it's the same with individual health care providers. You don't *have* to provide all types of care, but you need to let an individual know their options.
I felt Chris Hayes' arguments about insurance covering wellness was a bit weak as it's not commonly covered by anything but REALLY great insurance (nothing I've ever had). Arguments about birth control not just used for birth control coverage would have been great. Arguments about abortion where the person's life is endanger? Sterilization techniques to save the woman's life?
The hard part is, as someone in the medical field, Catholics do a REALLY fantastic service for a lot of under-served communities, but they attach their religious doctrine to it.
The Catholic Church cannot judge what is immoral until they clean up their own backyard. Not respecting the privacy and health needs of women, and subsequently their families, is unjust.
Women need to have good gynecologists throughout their life to also provide advice about birth control options. It is the very essential thing women need to be healthy. This is called preventive care. This is why, as Melissa Harris Perry stated on your previous show, that it is essential for citizens to have a citizen funded Healthcare option. Employers have no business being our Healthcare Providers.
It is time for the Catholic Church to grow up and start listening to the 98 percent of women who follow their faith. The Catholic Church is a relic that has been severely broken. It stammers away regardless, ignoring the Public Health issues that urgently need our defense.
Gram's Guide said it well--as Father Dailey, in response, said, well, women using birth control, etc.against the wishes of the church can just make their confessions and be forgiven. And all is well with the world simply by going into that confessional. I flinched during that segment when he said it--it was unexpected-- and he said it in such a nonchalant way...>>..... which begs the question: then why be so obstinate about making conception available to us if it is that easily forgiveable?? He didn't tell us we would go to hell, did he? It convinced me the church is a political operative, using this for gain. It reminded me of the things over time that pulled me away from institutionalized religion and of the unresolved problems of the church--dismissiveness about the abuse of our friends who were altar boys, women having to cover their heads in church all those years as if inferior, and not even being allowed on the altar. As a kid I used to make up sins in the confessional box because I didn't seem to have any and thought it was a silly thing. When we kids were practicing to walk around the church for making our communions, I recall talking in line, and having a nun yank the hell out of my pony tail, yelling at me, and it was abuse the way my neck was pulled every which way. And having my wrist beaten with a ruler when in class for drawing on paper when I wasn't supposed to. It is amazing I turned out ok.
Clearly Father Dailey's statement that the Church is concerned with the pathologizing of women's health was either poorly thought out or completely bogus. If the Church believes that contraception shouldn't be covered because it pathologizes female reproduction, then isn't the Church also saying that since female reproduction is not a disease (pathology) then they should not be forced to cover pregnancies and childbirth themselves? But since they readily cover these, then the must feel that they are indeed pathologies.
Per Father Dailey, the Church should only be treating or preventing pathologies. Then based upon the Church's current practice, they should cover contraception, which prevents the pathology of pregnancy.
Father Bill was a good guest. It seems that the crux of his point was that the government should not force the church to buy insurance covering gravely immoral sins. However, it should be pointed out that the church willing buys insurance covering sex abuse. Look at the dollar amounts in the few [in terms of percent] settlements. #largest_awards This is liability insurance. On the one hand you have a government forcing the church. On the other hand you have church leadership unable to force their own to avoid a gravely immoral sin. For the record, I see practicing birth control as on a different order than sexually abusing little boys and girls. #largest_awards
Here in the United States, many of the southern states still are being watched by the justice department, in order to make sure no racist laws, or discriminating voting requirements are put in place. I think that is just, needed, and prudent protection against a culture in the South which persists today.
The Catholic Church has a very violent history in how it has treated women. The Malleus Maleficarum, the inquisition, and the approval in 1964 by John Paul II that the Malleus Malefacarum continue, with slightly altered wording like- do not allow a woman who practices majic to live-.
Why is it, that an institution with a history of murdering and torturing women, should be allowed to dictate labor laws, and determe which health services women employees are allowed to have provided in their health insurance plan? Why is a Church with a record of atrocities committed against women for centuries, and now we know children too-allowed to dictate laws?
The Catholic Church may do many good things in the world, but that does not excuse the horror they have committed. Just like Penn State, it doesn't matter if you have done good things and helped other young men, not if you have allowed atrocities and did not act.
Women employees should have equal rights and not be discriminated against because their Church is anti women. Women do not have to use these rights, if their own religious beliefs are consistent with the Church. But, if a woman is involved in an abusive relationship, sometimes they are afraid to stand up for themselves.
That is one very importat role of the Federal Government, to stand up for Citizens against any institution or State, which tries to deny them their constitutional rights to individual freedom.
I too felt women were not regarded well by the catholic church, relegated to second class citizens, inferior beings, unworthy. I learned a lot about the doings of the church as a teen through intramural sports involvement in other schools in the diocese. Obviously our parents protected us from knowing some things, but we kids talked to one another. We had to endure celebate priests teaching us sex education, psychologically and physically abusive nuns during elementary school years, we knew the priests lived like kings in the rectory, while the nuns had more stark existences. I was fortunate enough to have highly educated nuns in high school--even one from Michigan Institute of Technology, but I was friends with many kids in a huge city who experienced unabated abusive situations. Hearing the catholic bishops speak side by side with these uncaring republicans is practically causing me unholy flashbacks!
Birth control pills prevented more ovarian cysts from forming in my body, and this was before I was even sexually active (I was still a virgin).
Birth control pills help married women space out their pregnancies and still have sex with their spouse, whom they should be able to have sex with, and that prevents complications during pregnancy and other health problems.
This is ABSOLUTELY a matter of women's health, and Bill Dailey doesn't understand that because a) he doesn't understand women's bodies, b) he doesn't understand the full capacity of birth control, and c) he doesn't understand sex and relationships.
So why is this guy considered an expert?
I have to totally disagree with Father Dailey. While his first segment gave me hope that we might hear the official position of the church, I was sorely disappointed in his response after the commercial break.
Let me say this, "family morals" mean more to me than anything. I can trace my family's linage and our involvement in the Catholic church back more than 400 years. It is probably longer, but records in Ireland over the centuries have become lost, but back to the point.
When querried about the 98% of catholic women that reportedly ( and I doubt that the figure is that high ) use some form of birth control, his response was that "the church believes in redemption" that may not be completely accurate, but that was the sentiment and what I understood his response to be.
To that, I would say, "leave it to a lawyer to equivocate so masterfully"
The path to redemption is simple and non-negotiable. Aks Chris Hayes, as a catholic he should know. First there must be confession of ones sins. Understanding that it is wrong, and admitting such is paramount. Without confession, there can be no redemption.
Then there is the willingness to atone for ones sins. To pay for ones ill-deeds. Without penance, there can be no redemption. And most importantly, is the willingness to not commit that sin again. Every catholic has heard the phrase, "go forth and sin no more" from his priest in the confessional.
To that end, if a woman confesses to using birth control, and when the priest ask her if she intends to contiune in the practice, and she answers in the affirmative, he WILL NOT offer penance, communion, or absolution. She is neither contrite or honestly seeking the forgiveness upon which her salvation depends. In short, if she INTENDS to continue with her sin, confessing it means absolutely nothing.
Without penance, or the sacriments, there is no redemtion, and the soul is condemned to hell.
Now people may try to argue this point, but the catholic tradition in my family is long and devout, and I found father Dailey's equivocation and hedging on the issue almost blasphemous.
He should have clearly stated, that if a woman is contrite, confesses her sins, and does penance, with the intent to do that sin no more, then and only then can she find redemption, and manage to save her soul from eternal damnation.
"Gravely immoral and injust," my a$$. Typically confusing and twisted didactic instructions by seemingly forever *male* catholics-in-charge.
Where were you bishops and priests when the poor soul from Georgia was executed by the state?
I don't remember Jesus telling anyone to kill.