On Saturday's show we'll discuss the latest on the tragic shooting in Aurora, Colorado. We'll also examine the faux controversy surrounding President Obama's "you didn't build that" remark, and the myth of pure meritocratic achievement. Plus we'll delve into Mitt Romney's record at the helm of the Salt Lake City Olympics, and we'll dissect a recent New York Times article suggesting that the decline in marriage rates accounts for much of the growth in inequality.
Joining Chris at 8am on MSNBC will be:
Richard Benjamin, a senior fellow at Demos and author of "Searching for Whitopia: An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America."
Dave Cullen, author of the New York Times bestseller "Columbine." Cullen has contributed to the New York Times, Washington Post, Times of London, Slate, Salon, Daily Beast and the Guardian.
Jill Nelson, op-ed contributor at USA Today and freelance journalist. Author of "Volunteer Slavery: My Authentic Negro Experience."
Katha Pollitt, columnist for The Nation and author of "The Mind-Body Problem."
Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City Utah (2000-2008). He is also the founder/executive director of High Road for Human Rights and the Justice Party.
Tim Carney (@TPCarney), senior political columnist for the Washington Examiner and author of "Obamanomics."
Betsey Stevenson, (@BetseyStevenson) columnist for Bloomberg View, assistant professor of businesses and public policy at the Wharton School at University of Pennsylvania, and former chief economist for the U.S. Department of Labor (2010-2011).
:: Blogged by Katherine Guthrie (@kguth1130), production assistant for Up w/ Chris Hayes ::
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When will Hillary Mann Leverett and Flynt be on on your program to discuss the situation with Iran?
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We share above a panel discussion Hillary participated in yesterday on Al Jazeera’s Inside Story on the U.S.-Egyptian relationship and Secretary Clinton’s recent visit to Egypt. The discussion may be viewed by clicking on the video frame above or through the link here. Egypt’s future trajectory is critical to the strategic balance in the Middle East—and, thus, to both the United States and the Islamic Republic. The discussion suggests that Egypt’s post-Mubarak evolution is likely to be quite problematic for the United States—and, therefore, a strategic gain for Tehran and others who seek to push back against Washington’s hegemonic ambitions in the region.
You're going to have to spend a whole lot of time on this horrific tragedy. It'd be good to see if you can get Michael Moore on to talk about it.
Could you please discuss the $3 million Utah law enforcement and other security personnel spent, for which they apparently were never reimbursed, and exactly where Romney got the money to bail out the olympics -- was it public or Federal funding. Could we clear this up once and for all.
Jill Nelson nailed the pattern: A few days of sensation, generous servings of solemn bromides of faith and sympathy for the victims, a discussion of the futility of gun control in the face of NRA opposition, then silence until the next event of carnage.
Someone please tell me how today's segment did anything to depart from that pattern.
Chris was utterly wrong. This is not a case where we have to fill time when we don't have enough facts to report. We have the facts. You want the face of a victim? Put up a picture of Christina-Taylor Green. (remember her?)
We heard solemn words about Christina:
Fact: The latest killer used a 100 round drum magazine. (example image) The ban on high capacity magazines, HR 308 was introduced after the killing of Christina. It was never allowed out of committee by the GOP.
Even this simple ban was too much for our political system to deal with.
Even a simple disclosure law was too much for our political system this week. It would have forced the NRA and other lobbyists to reveal its activities to keep our government bought and paid for. The NRA scored it as a vote against the 2nd amendment protection of gun rights (WTF?). Even Scalia thinks GOP opposition to disclosure is wrong (source).
All the air time on the killer, the sympathy, the identical NRA analysis as before is pointless.
Tell me how this UP segment diverged from the usual fail pattern of mass murder coverage. Tell me how MSNBC has tried anything- anything new or unique in its coverage to forge a country that is worthy of Christina's gentle, happy spirit.
Thank you! Until we replace the members of congress with people who stand up to the NRA and put some common sense rules in place, we will continue to suffer through mass killings and rack up names like Christina Taylor Greene and Veronica Moser-Sullivan, the 6 year old victim in Aurora's killings.
I don't fault UP. The Rachel Maddow show regularly covers the NRA's strangle- hold on congress, but until the average citizen stands up and casts a vote against the BS that says "there's nothing we can do," it will continue as usual.
Guns do not kill people, people kill people.
Go to any sporting goods store go to the gun section, notice none of the guns are shooting at you.
When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.
Next it is the Constitution gun ownership is protected.
And we all know the liberals want bust out the red marker and rewrite the constitution.
We have citizens massacred in their communities, but we can't have sensible gun laws because the gun industry profits might be strained if they can't sell weapons to those who would do harm to the rest of us.
We broke or tied 3,215 high-temperature records across the United States in the month of June and are currently in the 329th consecutive month in which the temperature of the entire globe exceeded the 20th-century average, but we can't seriously address global warming because the oil and coal corporations continue to feign denial.
We have witnessed an historic economic collapse due in large measure to the shenanigans of the financial industry, but we can't have proper oversight and reasonable legislation to prevent another collapse from happening because the financial industry's feelings would be hurt.
We have a health care crisis in America, but we can't have progressive universal health coverage for all Americans because it might cramp the luxurious lifestyle of insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
We have millions of undocumented workers in this country, but we can't have compassionate immigration reform because the Prison–Industrial complex and companies benefiting from workers living in the shadows want to maintain the status quo.
We are spending more on national defense than the rest of the world combined, but we can't trim the defense budget because the Military-Industrial complex doesn't want to do without their favorite toys.
We have bills currently languishing in Congress that would immediatly provide jobs for millions of Americans while addressing our infrastructure needs, but we can't get the legislation passed because we have a Republican Congress that has adopted the cynical political strategy of obstruction and the purposeful destruction of the economy designed around the sinister notion of making a democratically elected president of the United States a one-term president.
Just this past week the Senate voted on S. 3364, a bill designed to provide incentives for businesses to bring jobs back to America by replacing an existing tax-deduction for outsourcing jobs abroad with a new tax-deduction for insourcing jobs from abroad. But Senate Republicans blocked the bill with a filibuster because corporations want to continue receiving tax-write-offs for shipping jobs overseas.
This is why we can't have nice things. It's not that we don't have viable solutions to address the challenges and problems that we face. It is the tyrannical corporate monied interests and political self-interest that is preventing us from moving forward.
Is Holmes a member of the NRA?
Is Holmes a member of the NRA?
On average 200 people jump off the Golden Gate Bridge to their deaths.
Better outlaw the bridge.
Gun control laws will not stop people from killing each other.
The Murrah Federal Buliding, no guns were used, it was all diesel & fertilizer.
Jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge is not killing other people, they are choosing to take their own lives, which is a different topic of discussion.
I agree, Gun Control just covers legally owned guns, criminals never have trouble getting illegal guns when they want them
Over 50 people die everyday in this country in automobile wrecks.
Like you were saying Chris, why do we need to take a test to Drive and not to Bare Arms.
There should be a Medical Clearance law for people to be able to buy guns.
Tanks!!!!! Surface to Air Missiles!!!!???
These NYC oooops I mean New Bloomberg City liberals need to take a trip across the Hudson and see that there really are 49 more states.
He acts like the government helps out people to run/start a business.
It is not true what so ever, have you ever heard of the EPA?
Local roads & bridges are paid for with local tax dollars.
If you open a company today, aren't the roads & bridges in place already?
You own a company, don't you pay taxes? the people that work for you, don't they pay taxes?
Obama wants to jack up the tax rate to 49% on all companies, Canada just lowered their to 15% where will you start your new business?
Obama's point is that our SYSTEM allows you to go after success if you are lucky enough to have the opportunity. Read Gladwell's Outliers and see what IN ADDITION to hard work, intelligence and diligence is involved in becoming a great success.
Further, I guess this proposal from Obama to LOWER the corporate tax rate got by you. See link.
"Obama proposes lowering corporate tax rate to 28%" from 35%.
Go read the health care act aka obama-care.
this health care act is what republicans wanted (the individual mandate, a conservative response to Teddy Kennedy health care reform, and conservatives pulled out the individual mandate again in response to "Hillarycare").
for conservatives, the individual mandate was constitutional before it was unconstitutional.
ask mitt-flop romney.
Chris, take a breath, man. I'm watching you for the first time and I'm saying, "this guy talks so fast and doesn't let his guests talk. Observe your guests body language. There body language should be speaking to you. The camera shows your guests looking at each other wondering why you are talking so much. Your show watchers, like myself, like the topic you are talking about today, but you put off a vibe that you're scared that you won't be able to get your thoughts out in time so you take over the conversation. Maybe it's b/c of the topic of the Colorado theatre shooting. But, your a facilitator of discussion, let your guests talk and share thier expertise. Your guests are authors, advisors and experts in their field. Let them talk and don't put off such a controlled environment where you smother the conversation and don't let you guests talk. It was just a bad first impression. I look forward to seeing better facilitation of ideas in the future.
Seattle, tune back in. I have been watching Chris since he got this show and I think you'll learn to appreciate what he does. He does control the conversation. By doing so, what you won't see on his show is what annoys me to no end on other shows like this.
1. He doesn't allow his guests to filibuster the time. They soon learn to make their points quickly and clearly.
2. He doesn't allow the conversations to turn into shout fests.
Keep watching and I think you'll learn a few things from his diverse group of experts.
I totally disagree with you. If your attention span is so short that you can not listen to an intelligent person lay out an argument for maybe 45-60 seconds then I suggest you go watch Fox News where they force feed you pablum.
the 2nd amendment sole function is to guarantee that the Militia Act of 1791 was not infringed by the states. militia membership was universal for 18 - 45 yr old white males. the act defines what Arms are, they are not just muskets, required by the militia men to function as a military force in times of war. it had nothing to do with individual gun rights.
gun ownership is more a ninth amendment right. hunting was the way most people in those days feed themselves, especially on the frontier.
finally to quote barry goldwater on assault weapons as hunting weapons, Any S.O.B. who needs more than one shot to kill a deer shouldn't be hunting.
The liberal hack gets her phd on the tax payers buck then gets a job in the government and the tax payers now get to pay her again.
Maybe she needs to read a news paper the student loan program is $1 trillion in debt.
Next, all the program did was jack up the cost of going to school.
Every time the government subsidises anything it drive up the cost and the service down.
Not very bright ho-lee-cow. The student loan program that is one trillion dollars in debt is not money that you or I are responsible for. They are loans that all those students are committed to paying back. Just like the trillions and trillions in mortgage debt that people carry to own a home. Should we stop making home loans??? And to make matters worse, the Rethugs want to double that debt by letting the interest rate go back up to 6.8% from the current 3.4%. Get a clue buddy.
I don't own any guns and love the show but I get tired of the argument that gun ownership does not protect against government run amok. I always hear that the Pentagon is too powerful. Yes, you cannot take on the army with your shotgun but that misses the entire point. The deterrent only comes into play if the government began to infringe on our inherent rights. THEN, 150 million people with as many as 300 million guns would be a huge deterrent to an army of 2 million people, many of whom would join their families in fighting the government. But a much smaller armed forces contingent would be necessary to control the population if we were totally disarmed. It is a Macro deterrent. The armed extremist groups that want to overthrow the government because of a cigarette tax or something can and should be taken out by the government. You do yourself a disservice when you pretend to miss the point. You are clearly intelligent enough to see this. Thanks for the great show.
the 2nd amendment was written to ensure that militia members could maintain and carry their military equipment at drills or on their way to duty and prevent the local or state governments from infringing on that mandated duty. the militia act of 1792 listed what constituted arms and the universal membership of 18 - 45 males.
individual guns and their ownership is technically a ninth amendment right. when most of the population required a gun to survive it was a given that there was a right to own a gun.
Hayes needs to go to his bank a try to get a loan to start a company, look out for "Dodd Frank".
I did.....in 2008. Couldn't get a dime after having banks almost throw money at me back in 1995 when I started my first business. OH.....George Bush was President in 2008. Oops. I guess we can blame that on Liberals too???
Rocky & Bullwinkle..
There is much Stricter gun laws in Australia since the Port Arthur Massacre, in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded.
After this Massacre, the Australian Government implemented a new series of laws, plus a buy back program which you could have a legal or illigal gun purchased from you by the Federal Government, without any criminal charges in a certain timeline i.e (90days). This was very sucessfull with many illigal guns turned in as well.
It would be much harder to do this in the USA, but some more stricter laws to have a gun should be implemented.
Comparing starting/running a company to a city hosting the Olympics is a real reach to say the least.
Like saying, you need to know how fly the space shuttle in order to mow your lawn.
I don't own any guns and I love your show but I get tired of the false argument that gun ownership is not a deterrent to government over reach and any attempt to take away our freedoms.
Yes, your shotgun will not allow you to overthrow the government.
However, 150 million people with at least 200 million guns WILL deter a government from turning an armed forces of 2 million on its own people.
And many in the armed forces would side with their families should the majority of the country feel that the government has become tyrannical.
However, it would take a much smaller force to subdue the population should we all be disarmed. It is undeniably a macro deterrent.
And frankly, I believe it is a really good deterrent that you would really appreciate if we needed to use it and, fortunately, we are very unlikely to ever need it BECAUSE we have it.
There's a big difference between a shotgun and an assault rifle with a magazine that holds 100 rounds. A deterrent against the government? I guess we really need to own tanks and mortar rounds and grenade launchers. How about a nuke or two? Now those would really be a deterrent!
Guns are tools, and they can be very useful, handy tools to have. They do require personal responsibility, however, and they should come with instruction. Until we start stressing personal responsibility and get away from the idea that a bigger gun with more capacity to fire tens of shots at a time somehow enhances our independence, makes us tougher and more free, we're going to continue to see mass killings with increasing frequency.
It's a shame Chris had to cut Rocky Anderson off for a break when he was making a key point that ultimately got lost. The biggest impediment to starting a small business is the cost of health insurance.
Go to your bank and try to get a loan.
Look out for "we are going to Dodd and Frank-ly refuse you this loan"
Betsey we get it you tote the water for obama.
Over 8% unemployment for over 41 months now.
Over 40 million on food stamps cost to the tax payer $78 billion.
Over 12 million people out of work.
I think that government spending like a drunk sailor just ain't working out so well.
Ho-lee-cow can you actually think for yourself instead of regurgitating stinking talking points all over this thread. Cause and effect buddy. Eight years of Rethug rule and now we are cleaning up the pile of sh*t they left. But blame it on Obama if that makes you feel good. Stupid, stupid, stupid. But you feel self-righteous....right?
It's a shame that Chris had to cut off Rocky Anderson when he was making a key point that got buried. Romney is so concerned about small business, but the biggest impediment to starting a small business is the cost of health insurance.
I agree with dowkeith's comment. Next time, have Mitt Romney on and spend twenty minutes asking him about Rocky Anderson. Why not interview Anderson about HIS ideas.
I guess ho-lee-cow never heard of Keynes or what happens when private consumption dries up. Only government spending can take up the slap. The problem was not the stimulus but that it wasn't big enough.
A.R.R.A cost $800 billion. Think back to Jan 2009 when obama showed us all charts that supported the need for the stim-u-less.
And it was going to keep the unemlpoyment rate from going to and over 8%, by October of 2009 it was over 10%, and has been over 8% everyday after.
It did not work.
Obama has spent over $4 trillion tax payer dollars. It ain't working.
@ho-lee-cow
Just saying "the ARRA didn't work" or that nonsense about spending does not help understand the root cause of our current situation and does not help understand what needs to be done to get us out of this mess.
ARRA
The ARRA was a 4 foot ladder to get out of the 4 foot hole we thought we would have (hole = estimated loss in GDP). The recession ended up much much deeper that we thought. It is more like an 8 foot hole - and we still only had a 4 foot ladder.
Check the CBO for the quarterly analysis of the effect of the ARRA. It worked as projected.
President Obama did not invent the notion of federal stimulus in response to a recession. This has been done in response to every recession in the past. It is Standard Operating Procedure.
President Obama did not add "over $4 trillion tax payer dollars".
Check the data. CBO has an Excel file that can be downloaded. Search for "Historical Budget Data – January 2012 Baseline" I would include the link but they don't usually work :(
A budget deficit is the difference between Outlays and Receipts.
[Note - the following is my summary - greatly simplified - of what the data shows]
Due to the recession, the graph of Receipts reminds me of a roller-coaster. Through the 2000's it looks like the long slow "UP" at the beginning of the ride. The roller-coaster then levels off (end of 2007, early-mid 2008). Then the roller-coaster hit the big "DOWN". Remember the sense of free-fall (shut eyes, hold on tight, scream [scare cat]). This same graph shape is seen in stock market, employment numbers, oil and gas prices. Total free-fall.
[The tax-cuts in the ARRA are included in the drop in Receipts]
At the same time, the Outlay obligations remained the same or increased. Increases were in part increases following previous trends (SS, Medicare, Defense, etc.) Some were new increases - particularly in Mandatory spending - particularly Medicaid and "Income Security" - unemployment, SNAP / Food Stamps. Mandatory means that if more people qualify, by law, more people are helped and thus outlays increase.
[The Outlay portion of the ARRA are included in these increase in Outlays.]
Obama took office Jan 2009.
Today there are fewer people working.
Today there are fewer companies.
Today there are fewer banks.
Today there are more people on food stamps.
Today there are more people on unemployment insurance.
Today there are more abandoned homes and property.
When is obama and the liberals going to take ownership of their policies of the past 3 years?
@ho-lee-cow
All of the points you make are correct except for the last - which is a question.
You seem to be implying that all of those points are due to the policies of President Obama and "the liberals".
Suppose you are a passenger in a plane. Things go horribly wrong with the plane and it goes into a nose-dive. {Note: I like this analogy because that was what it felt like to me when I saw the Stock Market plummet (bye bye IRA) and massive jobs losses. Remember when everyone was asking if we had hit bottom yet?}
After the nose-dive starts, the new pilot took over (regular scheduled shift-change).
The first pilot had started some actions to pull the plane up - like got the engines started again (TARP that saved the financial system).
More needed to be done - and was done by the new pilot and the whole crew. The plane stopped dropping, leveled off and began increasing in altitude.
Has the plane reached the right altitude? No.
Is the plane high enough? No. There is a big mountain range ahead that the plane needs to get above or go around. (Crisis in Europe, budget and tax issues).
OK so Carney lied about gun deaths in Russia, call him out!!!!!