On Sunday, we'll examine revelations that Paul Ryan sought stimulus funds after denouncing the 2009 Recovery Act as "a wasteful spending spree." We'll also discuss the battle over voter ID laws that could potentially disenfranchise millions of voters. And we'll delve into the debate over poverty in the presidential campaign, focusing on attempts to dismantle the social safety net.
Joining Chris at 8 AM ET on MSNBC:
Judith Browne-Dianis, co-director of The Advancement Project.
Tanya Wells, a student and recipient of Pell Grants, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance and Medicaid.
Maya Wiley, founder and president of the non-profit Center for Social Inclusion.
Sam Seder (@samseder), political talk show host of the Majority Report and Ring of Fire Radio.
Michael Grunwald (@mikegrunwald), author of "The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era," TIME's senior national correspondent.
Ari Berman (ariberman), contributor to The Nation.
Rep. Chaka Fattah (@chakafattah), Democrat representing Pennsylvania's 2nd congressional district, senior member of the House Appropriations Committee, ranking member on the Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science and related agencies, chair of the Congressional Urban Caucus.
:: Blogged by Katherine Guthrie (@kguth1130), production assistant for Up w/ Chris Hayes ::
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the stimulus.. it's purpose was to re-elevate the firm grasp of free range cost control the certain groups had over the global economy that was failing quickly due to greedy impostures implementing a referred email that dealt with lowering cost effectiveness with little staffing support along with keep quality as a set value with was that formatted Lean principle mindset that Japan had for the worker shortage but with consolable solutions... It was design to fail if not followed per the original proposal precept..fyi no one bothered to confer with the originator of "my proposal for an Economic stimulus" which why things are a bit rebuffed!
www.recovery.gov has tracked every penny of the Recovery Act:
Where the money goes, grants, jobs, progress, etc.
Overseen by V-P Biden.
The stim-u-less (A.R.R.A) was a failure. It was supposed to keep the unemployment rate from going to and over 8%.
It hit 10% 8 months after being implemented, and has been over 8% for last 42 months.
The economy is in the tank, Obummer has no clue how to grow the economy.
His answer, more tax, more people on the government payroll.
Over 600,000 gov't were removed fromn the payrolls of state government. In those states that had both the auto and stimulus have low unemployment rates.
Check out the big auto state of MI 9% unemployment rate.
Next the city of Detroit had a population around 3 million in 1958, today about 700,000.
Talk about the unions looking out for the blue collar worker.
Even better is reids home state of NV 12%.
Funny how hayes knows more about the Ryan plan than Ryan does.
Just like last fall when the SOPA deal came up and hayes had the NBC corp attorney on his show, and told the attorney how wrong he was about the SOPA act.
Hayes is the smartest guy he knows.
Ryan is on the record, stating "we haven't run the numbers yet" regarding his budget. I doubt anyone could make a stronger case against the Ryan budget than Ryan himself, especially when he's also on the record in 2002 pleading for Keyensian stimulus. Are you choosing to ignore the clip like Ryan hopes you will? What do you think made Ryan change his tune, some moral, intellectual epiphany? Don't be a stooge. If you're unsure of what a stooge looks and sounds like, just watch any footage of Ryan "explaining" his budget to average citizens in a coffee shop or town hall meeting. If he's not using a script or teleprompter, he better start. Ryan likes to pretend his budget is too "wonky," but specificity is what makes something wonky; not empty rhetoric and hypocritical ideology. So yes, I'd wager Chris knows as much about Ryan's budget as Ryan simply because there's nothing to know. If you want to read a more qualified overview, Paul Krugman does it for the NYT in a single page. But this homework shouldn't get in the way of your last assignment, Ho-lee. Please tell me you've read the Mike Lofgren piece for truthout.org. "Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult." He wrote it for you.
If it kept jobs from leaving then why did the unemployment rate hit 10% ?
And why has it been over 8% everyday sense.
Why are none of the talking liberals on MSLSD talking about Cook Medical? and the 1500 jobs that are now going off shore all thanks to the tax on medical mfg's from obama care.
Some dude writes a book the new new deal and he has all the right answer were aer his facts at?
Hayes why not have mike daisy back on, remember how you made him out to be this uber hero.
Because the banks tanked, we bailed them out, and the man-made calamity was so HUGE that 8%-25% unemployment was more acceptable than 89% unemployment. Thanks to the social safety nets (Social Security, food stamps, housing, welfare, education grants, TANF, medicaid, etc.) put in place after the last Great Depression and in the 60's, there aren't as many of us going homeless and starving. About 50 million of us now live in poverty, though.
When Newt Gingrich called President Obama "the food stamp president" as an attempted insult, my only thought was, "Thank goodness we already had a program established that he could use and build on.".
I don't know about your town, but our food share and churches feed a hundreds of people a month. Many of them have food stamps, but they don't last the full month. We're not out of the woods. Let the republicans end the social programs, and you'll see what the Great Depression, and the Irish Famine were really like.
Chris ask her why she lost her job, and why it never came back.
Does the new new deal address those issues?
Obummer has yet to do anything that will start the economy growing, in fact his polices are killing job & economic growth.
Tonya Wells was a very articulate spokesperson for the situation that so many middle class families find themselves in. I didn't catch the entire conversation, only the end. I am curious to know, if she and her husband both had 6 figure incomes, did they have any savings to fall back on when the recession hit?
Chris - great discussion re poverty and those who fell out of middle class and into poverty. There is one thing you must know: adults without dependent children are not eligible for assistance other than food stamps - they are denied assistance, including medicaid b/c they do no have minor children, are not elderly or disabled.
From your colleague, Greg Kaufmann at the Nation who recently wrote about this:
In a recent report for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), Liz Schott and Clare Cho call this trend “especially troubling” since “a growing number of jobless and elderly” are exhausting their unemployment benefits and continue to be unable to find work.
“Poor, childless adults are becoming even more vulnerable to severe hardship than in the past and are doing so in greater numbers,” write the authors
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"Chris - great discussion re poverty and those who fell out of middle class and into poverty. There is one thing you must know: adults without dependent children are not eligible for assistance other than food stamps - they are denied assistance, including medicaid b/c they do no have minor children, are not elderly or disabled...."
Thanks for bringing this out. We have a miserly, inadequate, and outdated social support system. It's an epidemic of poverty- soon to be pandemic. There's no excuse for it.
I'd like to hear Ms Wells as a member of the panel. It'd also be interesting to hear from someone who never made as much as 100K, but were stable, and what their reality has become. I'd like to thank her for not being ashamed to tell the rest of us her experiences. Folks in her situation don't have the visual markers of poverty yet. Their accoutrements and mannerisms are still those of the middle class. There are millions of families in her situation, as she noted repeatedly.
Ryan is a hypocrite. I have operated a food pantry since May 1988. Most of the people that come to my place work. Most still earn less than $20,000 a year. On Saturday we had 53 families come in for food in the two hours between noon and 2 p.m. Virtually all of those folks were low income workers. Many had young children.
Whenever I hear Paul Ryan and those of his ilk speak about the safety net (or hammock) I think of this quote by Herman Melville...
“Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed.”
Elaine, I think of that self centered Republican dude that said, "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country." I can't remember his name.... do you?
If only Ryan were a devotee of a first-rate American novelist and not a second-rate romance novelist. Not that his budget wouldn't be the same or his social values. I'm quite sure special-interest money trumps literary taste. I can even here the twisted Melville-inspired sloganeering: "Tax relief for Big Ambergris! Total ban on parmacetticides!"
So, Paul Ryan was human in 2002. When do you think the body-snatchers got to him?
This is ridiculous. Wells claims she's made this a project to find the best financial solution for her family. She gave herself her two options. One was unemployment or Two was food stamps. How about a third option for your family. You and your husband Go to Work?? That's Ryan's point. And why Chris Hayes didn't bring this up just shows how disgustingly left he relly is. Instead of going to work, you are relying on the government to pay your way cause your lazy. You didn't look you were starving, by the way. You claim this started prior to the recession. Well, uhmm, that was a few years now. Are you saying you and your husband can't find a job making a combined income more than eighteen thousand a year. Come on Wells. Two more things. You are false when you said you can't go to school while on unemployment. Tell the truth. And also, the reason you went from unemployment to food stamps was because your unemployment only goes so long, so your lazy project plan (rely on gov.) lead you to the next thing: food stamps. Go get a job!!
I guess you haven't heard, or maybe you're just oblivious to the fact that there are no jobs; that corporations are not hiring unless they are for very skilled jobs. That is what this woman is trying to prepare herself/family for. And I see that you have a problem with that. You'd rather that she just 'sweep a floor' somewhere; as if that would do anything for the economy and this country as a whole. It is more than apparent that you're ideology rules over common sense. That's not unusual for some of those who are still blessed with employment. God help you should you ever have to go through what this woman and her family, and millions of others in this country are now experiencing. What would you do? Just 'sweep a floor' and not rely on the safety net?
I have been out of work and on unemployment. I appreciated that, but paid my dues and used my savings to help pay my bills while not working. I dont have an ideal job, but a job that pays the bills. I'm out there working six days a work to survive. My income has been cut 50% in the last five years. So spare me. I'd rather do what I have to do as a person to survive, rather than rest on the backs of other workers, which is the reason why our insurance and taxes are increasingly rising. I understand her position completely out of experience, but you know what..li didn't take advantage for it. I think the story should be told in its entirety. Why did she loose her job, including her husband and why can't they find something that combined pays more than 18k a year. Do the math and give me a break. They aren't disabled remember....no excuses. How how have they been resting on the backs of others. What are they doing while not working? Going to school, maybe. How about community work to help with that free income....
Thinksme, you are still ignoring the fact that there are 4 people seeking jobs to every 1 job available. That means THREE people out of FOUR are going to starve. Do you understand math?
LYIN MITT and his blue eyed devil believe most white people are both racist and stupid. They will be very disappointed come election day,
Chris, I wish your female pundit would not insult me and other viewers by suggesting we fall asleep if you use more than three words in a sentence. Geez. She sounds like some elitist bimbo.
A Proposal (not so modest)
In the Republican run states that are currently trying to suppress voting by those who tend to vote for Democrats by requiring I.D.'s, one of the accepted forms of I.D. is a gun license. Gun licenses tend to be quick and easy to obtain, right? So organizers, as a temporary solution, why not get gun licenses for those who will have difficulty getting I.D.'s issued by the DMV?
McGhee I am not confused. The K*K brothers and Carl Rove's white sheet & hood grop cannot buy my vote. I will VOTE BLUE all the way down the ticket. Reading is fundamental.
Paul Ryan's fiscally conservative voting record..
Congressman Ryan's actual record leaves much to be desired.
The issue Ryan is most known for is his interest in cutting the deficit and balancing the budget.
But why did the Congressman vote to bail out the auto industry, to pass the Medicare package to the tune of $400 billion, and to nationalize education via No Child Left Behind?
Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)
Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)
Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.
According to Michelle Malkin in 2009, "[Paul Ryan] gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank-Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede. Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: 'He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don't see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let him get away with it'."
BTW the new Gallup Poll rates the Republican lead Congress @ 10% favorable rating!
This is where the Ryan information comes from:
The website did go through after several attempts, but, maybe this will help. The website is at businessinsider.com
WOW, Wow today's Aug. 19Th show--- the best show I've seen on the Economy We have got to get Obama"s economic message out! Mr. Gruenwald was superb!!!! Thank You Chris!!!!
Tax cuts are a form of economic stimulus and the Bush Administration’s tax cut stimulus was over $1 trillion each year, for eight years. (The Bush tax cut stimulus was well over $10 trillion for the last decade…and might have prevented the nation’s deficit.) Therefore, how can Republican leaders say that the Obama Administration’s stimulus of $800 billion for one year was too much? In the meanwhile, the GOP says they want to keep the $700 billion worth of Bush-tax cuts for people earning over $250K as if ‘it’ is ‘worth’ something to the economy. This is bubblehead economics!
The Obama Administration’s stimulus was carefully planned to be given to people of income levels, who would spend it, and Local and State Governments who needed it for educational and public service initiatives and needs. The Bush Administration’s tax cut stimulus was given mostly to the wealthy, and might as well, have been thrown out the windows of New York Times Square on New Years Eve! (Without any guarantee that the wealthiest would invest the amount given in our economy and would not put it in their personal savings here, or overseas.)
I think the differences between the two major parties handling of the nations tax money, shows that the Obama Administration has shown restraint in its Executive financial power.
Why do peeps still put their money in the BIG FIVE BANKS? Why?
One thing I think would be a great idea is offer 6 months of unemployment as a lump sum payment. There would be no incentive to not find a job or not go to school. People would be able to afford to move or even start a business or pay tuition. Did not appreciate the comment about how awful it is that people had to leave school to sweep streets and other menial labor. I've picked fruit, I've cleaned toilets when I was going to school. This is good decent labor. If I were a communist I would send the person who made that comment to a labor camp to be re-educated. Very elitist.
So, Paul Ryan was human in 2002. When do you think the body-snatchers got to him?
2012 - VP Candidate.
I lost interest in Michael Grunwald's book the moment he made his arrogant, dismissive comment that Black people can put solar panels on their homes.
Chris, It wasn't such a great program this last Sunday. Speaking as a very strong Obama supporter, I'm now entertaining a vote for the other side.
Parading an individual who is now taking advantage of government programs to regain her family's previous financial standing was quite disgusting. What was her masterful plan when she and her husband were working? I have two master's degrees, both obtained while I worked full time. And I did so because I never wanted to be stuck in a menial job. And by the way, speaking as a past economics instructor in a private college, those institutions are a scam. The only thing the students have to do to graduate is come to class; it's a complete waste of government money. I resigned because I refused to compromise my integrity by giving passing grades. And it wasn't the student's fault; the institutions facilitate and encourage the scam.
And please, it's about time that a political show had an intelligent discussion of Keynesian economics. Governments should have deficits during recessions, but surpluses during normal times. Unfortunately, the government always seems to think we are in a recession because it always wants to have a deficit. Keynes never advocated continuous deficits!
Chris and team you really should have former Ohio Dem Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner (when Strickland was Governor of Ohio) on your program to discuss what she did in Ohio to make it easier and legal for more voters to participate after the fiasco in Ohio in 2004 with long lines due to fewer machines in precincts. Jennifer Brunner is brilliant and when she ran for the Dem Senate ticket Governor Strickland and Senator Sherrod Brown were playing the white boy club when they supported Lee Fisher instead of Jennifer Brunner. National polls showed that Brunner stood a must better chance against Rob Portman in that OHio race.
Anyway have her on about Ohio voting rights she understands and you will like her too. Jennifer Brunner would be a great guest on the Ohio voting cases
How about DMV Vans that travel around to areas to help people get their state I.D.'s. I know funds are tight but bring getting the state I.D's to them