Katherine Guthrie and Sal Gentile
Tomorrow on Up w/ Chris Hayes, we'll be discussing the Republican bubble trap, highlighted by the recent spate of GOP politicians dismissing national polls showing President Obama ahead of Mitt Romney. We'll also dive into what's behind those poll numbers, and look at evidence that the Obama recovery may be much stronger than the political establishment has realized. And we'll examine the NFL referees debacle in the larger context of the state of organized labor in America.
Joining Chris tomorrow at 8 AM ET on MSNBC will be:
Jamilah King (@jamilahking), news editor for colorlines.com
Mike Pesca (@pescami), sports correspondent for National Public Radio.
Ohio Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown (@sherrodbrown), who's currently locked in a closely watched re-election battle.
Joy Reid (@thereidreport), MSNBC contributor and managing editor of TheGrio.com
Bill Fletcher, Jr., co-founder of the Center for Labor Renewal and author of "They're Bankrupting Us! And 20 Other Myths about Unions."
Ro Khanna, author of "Entrepreneurial Nation: Why Manufacturing is Still Key to America's Future," former deputy assistant secretary at the Department of Commerce, former member of the White House Business Council.
Josh Barro (@jbarro), lead writer for Bloomberg View's "The Ticker."
Sheila Bair, author of "Bull by Horns: Fighting to Save Main Street from Wall Street and Wall Street from Itself," former chair of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (2006-2011), former assistant secretary for financial institutions at the Treasury Department (2001-2002), and former senior vice president for government relations of the New York Stock Exchange.
Joe Weisenthal (@thestalwart), deputy business editor at BusinessInsider.com.
::Blogged by Katherine Guthrie (@kguth1130), production assistant for Up w/ Chris Hayes, and Sal Gentile (@salgentile), segment & digital producer. ::





U.S. Army Tested Chemicals on Cities, Low-Income Residents
Newly disclosed documents have revealed details on how the U.S. military carried out testing of chemicals on major U.S. cities during the 1950s and 1960s. Sociologist Lisa Martino-Taylor of St. Louis Community College says zinc cadmium sulfide was sprayed in several cities without residents’ knowledge. The most densely sprayed area appears to have been a housing complex for low-income people in St. Louis.
Lisa Martino-Taylor: "It was pretty shocking, the level of duplicity and secrecy. Clearly they went to great lengths to deceive people. There’s a lot of evidence that indicates that people in St. Louis in the city, particularly in minority communities, were subjected to military tests that was connected to a larger radiological weapons development and testing project."
democracynow.org/2012/9/27/headlines
Cable stations cut away from Abbas but show Netanyahu in full
Racism. Pure and pristine anti-Arab racism in the U.S. Why do they hate us? Because this is the most important foreign policy issue the US faces, and we are about to hear from a rightwing Jewish leader, but the Arab moderate making a case for Palestinian rights is denied a platform. MSNBC cut away from a segment of the speech just as Abbas was saying "another Nakba." To what? To Andrea Mitchell talking to Dennis Ross about the need to attack Iran. What planet are they living on?
Oh and here is rightwinger Netanyahu getting his full speech aired...
mondoweiss.net/2012/09/cable-stations-cut-away-from-abbas-but-say-theyll-show-netanyahu.html
Palestinian Leader Condemns Settler Attacks in U.N. Address
Also speaking before the U.N. General Assembly Thursday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned Israel over Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories, saying more than 500 settler attacks had been carried out on Palestinians since the beginning of the year. Abbas also vowed to continue seeking non-member status at the United Nations for Palestine. In his condemnation of Israeli government policy, Abbas invoked the term “Nakba,” or “catastrophe,” which refers to the period around Israel’s declaration of statehood in 1948 when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced from their homes.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas: "Israel refuses to end the occupation and refuses to allow the Palestinian people to attain their rights and freedom and rejects the establishment of the state of Palestine. Israel is promising the Palestinian people a new catastrophe, a new Nakba."
democracynow.org/2012/9/28/headlines
If you hate the USA so much move back to Germany then.
Next democraynow is a leftwingnut web site that deals in 1/2 truths and bull$hit.
What makes you think that I am in the USA? I am a German who lives in Germany.
What half-truths and BS are you talking about? Examples please.
ho-lee's one of the "special" folks.
So you live in germany, what gives you the right to tell me how to live who to vote for?
Next you do not know what it is like to live in a free country, you are a socialist that thinks the rest of us need to be like you.
No thank you!!
Do you see Americans going on germany bloggs telling you how to live your life, what is best for you.
You seem to forget that is was the USA that bailed out your country in the 1940's.
And saved the germany people from Hitler.
ho-lee should be banned
I agree, ho-lee-cow appears to be a typical right-wing ignoramus
which is apparent by his comments about Germany. I suggest he compare the poverty, children in poverty, income inequality, gender inequality, health care between his exceptional America and that of Germany, to include the overall quality of life! Yes, ho-lee-cow you just continue applauding the criminal and corrupt plutocracy that the Republicans have created for you! Enjoy the downward
spiral!
If you do not like this country move out then.
No one is stopping you.
I don't impose anything on you. I give my opinion, just like everyone else on here. You are free to ignore my comments.
Yeah, right! The USA is the only free country in the world. Keep on dreaming!
Yes, there are some.
And without Europe and Europeans, the USA wouldn't even exist. How far back in time do you want to go? Why do you keep living in the past?
With such an attitude nothing will ever improve.
By the way, being called a "socialist" is not an insult to a socialist ;-)
Survey of Arab-Americans highlights drop in support for Obama
The Arab-American community still largely supports President Barack Obama, but 15 percent of Arabs who voted for Obama in 2008 have not declared their support for him this year, according to a new poll released by the Arab American Institute (AAI).
The hopes that Obama would be an “honest broker” in trying to get Israel and the Palestinians to reach a deal have not panned out. While Obama came out against illegal Israeli settlements in the beginning of his term, pressure from Israel and its advocates in the U.S. ultimately caused the president to back down. And Obama has lavished military and economic aid on Israel while protecting it from diplomatic opprobrium.
Another issue weighing on the minds of Arab voters is civil liberties. “What happened in New York, with the NYPD surveillance program, continues without any criticism at all,” Zogby noted in an interview. “If you live in Michigan, cross the border as many do, if you come into Miami airport, if you come in New York airport, you can expect discriminatory treatment and that’s unacceptable and people feel it. So does that resonate? Sure it does.”
But the drop in Democratic support could harm Obama’s re-election chances. One recent study on Muslim-American political participation notes that the Muslim population in Florida and Michigan is large enough to swing the vote.
mondoweiss.net/2012/09/survey-of-arab-americans-highlights-drop-in-support-for-obama.html
More leftwingnut propaganda.
New Amnesty International Report Exposes Severe, Inhumane Solitary Confinement Conditions for 3,000 California Prisoners
Three thousand prisoners in two California prisons are being held in solitary confinement under “cruel, degrading and inhuman” conditions that violate international standards, Amnesty International said today based on exclusive access to Pelican Bay and Corcoran state prisons. In a new report, the human rights organization said California is holding prisoners in extreme isolation – with no fresh air, natural light, direct human contact or programs – for years and even decades, and leaving them with little hope of ever emerging from the confinement.
amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/new-amnesty-international-report-exposes-severe-inhumane-solitary-confinement-conditions-for-3000-ca
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!!!
Read properly. It's not about the time. It's about the conditions.
Chris, you will love this
Hey Chris,
Have Green Party candidate for President Doctor Jill Stein on your show!
Above Doctor Jill Stein advocates for The Green New Deal in campaign.
I agree.
Chris might be a Greenie. He hasn't said he is a Democrat, and he works for "The Nation" after all. For instance, Maddow masqueraded as a Democrat for years and just recently admitted on the Bill Maher program that she is not a Democrat.
and
(CBS News) Ann Romney's biggest concern if her husband becomes president would behis ability to maintain his "mental well-being," she said in an interview Thursday with KTVN in Reno, Nev.
A wife who wants her husband to be healthy? Oh, how terrible!
One can rightly bash Romney for virtually all his political views, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a caring wife.
I was in a union for about half my career. One of the greatest advantages is that I believe quality is much higher in union shops. Not a fan of public sector unions though unless their contracts get to be voted on by the citizens.
Isn't it funny that the GOP has been claiming that there is voter fraud going on in America. Now we know who is responsible for all the fraud going on. It has just been announced that the Republican National Committee, (That's right The GOP themselves) is behind voter fraud in states all across America. They hired a consulting company to register voters and they paid them over $1.3 million Dollars to commit these frauds and now they are trying to distance themselves from the fraud. They will do anything to steal this election and enslave all of the Poor and Middle Class Americans in this country.
They are trying to stop the elderly, College students and the lower and middle income people in this country so that the super rich in this country can get more while the start more wars and put all of us in danger because of their greed. When is enough enough. How much must they have before they are satisfied. They are willfully dividing this country and is willing to send our children to wars that we do not need to be involved in. they want to pollute our food, air and water supply just so that they can make a few extra dollars for themselves. the other day i saw a movie by H D Wells. it was about a man who traveled in a Time Machine and when way into the distant future were some of the people went to live under ground after a world war and over the decades they mutated into these creatures that hunted the tribe of people who lived above ground for food and to breed them to keep their mutated species alive. Is that where we are heading? Is that what the future holds for us. Mitt Romney believes it is his destiny to start a world war and put this world in complete chaos. The way the the GOP is going and with the greed in their hearts, I only have one question. Do they believe this is what God wants them to do and if so why? There is a fantasy world and a reality world and they are about to collide if the Republicans Party, The Corporate GOP politicians and Mitt Romney is able to Steal this election or any after this one. Ask yourselves, Am I my Brother's and Sisters Keeper. Please Register and vote. America needs you now more than ever before.
I've always felt Greed is akin to pornography - It's difficult to define but I know it when I see it. (tip of the hat to Justice Stewart)
NOTE: (Conscious Man Consultants are investigating evidence that shows the Middle Eastern insurrection due to the anti-Muslim movie trailer was actually a covert operation financed by wealthy special interests that want to hurt President Obama before the 2012 election. BEWARE of Conservative Christians who claim to support Israel)
Maybe shameless (yes, delusional) people are the only one’s working SO HARD to make the Republican Party seem like it’s still competent or relevant. BIG MONEY with the help of Citizens United and voter suppression is the only thing keeping this evil GOP alive. Especially when talking about the 90’s with Newt Gingrich. You nuts must think the PEOPLE are really stupid…
Its amazing watching Joe Scarborough trying to put a positive spin on what happened in the 90’s. You people made me want to commit violent revolution in those days with your morality, obstructionism and backroom deals. Did Joe ever participate in the circle jerk 90’s Republicans had in Congress with Ken Starr and the Monica Lewinsky sexual testimony tapes? American could have saved tax dollars going to the zoo to watch the animal fight like THAT!
Then you right-wing morons in Congress hide expatriate clauses in Clinton legislation, insured the venture capital of manufacturers moving to COMMUNIST China and laid the ground work for the Bush/Cheney Corporate Crime Wave. NO Tom Delay, Americans DIDN’T see the face of JESUS on your mug shot. What we saw is some of the most blatant criminal activity and R.I.C.O. Act violations in the history of the USA!
AND WHAT ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM? Most of Congressional members since 1994 should be in Federal prison instead of the Ivory Towers.
I actually can’t wait for the economy to go over the financial cliff you ***holes keep warning about. Hopefully the masses will rise up and extract vengeance on ALL those who sold us out for a very few ****’n billionaires. I’m coming for the news media because the corrupt politicians couldn’t have perpetrated their crimes if the news/journalism had been doing their job. Don’t ever forget those are public broadcast airwaves and technology paid for by the US taxpayer financed that makes it possible to spew your BS on 5 days a week. I want a Class War...
Well, I'm on my way up the coast to Twitter Headquarters to find out why the craven #^*~* cowards suspended my account. I was ponly giving Conservative a taste of their own bitter medicine. (see jinnbad.blogspot.com )
good day & good luck suckers,
WPG
Ohhh, I wanted to find out if anyone knew what is happening with Karl Rove. The word on the street is Rove made guarantees to the wrong people. Some vey evil, nonsensical foreign rich guys who expected their millions of dollars in political donations would make Obama a one term President. Now that it is more & more likely Romney will go down in flames Karl Rove might have to go into hiding before he gets his knees broken. (lol)
Hey chris, do you ever look in a mirror after you put on your cloths?
Were on earth do you get thoses suits? the sales rack at goodwill?
Cuff links and no tie.
120 minutes of absolutism.
Ever notice when anyone puts Hayes to task his 1st response is " your wrong"!!!!!!
The MSNBC liberals are so one way, they never want to hear the other side.
They never admit to the faults of their ways.
They are always right and everyone else is wrong!!
Joy Reid needs to check her self.
over 40% of sub-prime loans never made 1 payment.
Next taking on Rick Santelli you're going to get the bull by the horns.
Santelli's point is that the government needs to get out of the way and let the American people get back to work.
Next is Medicare, these talking heads have no clue how medicare works.
None of them are certified by CMS none of them are on medicare, and they are clueless to how it works.
Have just one of them to explain the doughnut hole. The difference between part A & B.
Obama did not save the country!!!!
Over 8% unemployment is not saving anything!!!
Over 40 million people on food stamps is not saving anything.
One thing about this show, no facts just "what I think" notice the leftys always lead that way.
"So this is what I think......"
Oh...really. I work in a school district where the stimulus funded 1000 teachers. Now extrapolate that to every school district, city, county and state in the US; they all received stimulus funds. You cannot imagine the widespread layoffs, not just among government workers, but the additional mortgages not being paid, the mom and pop's of every conceivable business etc etc. that downward domino effect would be staggering. That's not taking into account the auto industry bailout and its domino effect on their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th supply line industries. Open thy eyes........
1000 teachers???? what.
Government workers cost the tax payers money.
Furthermore teachers are paid with local tax dollars that come from property taxes.
you guys never get the big picture and disregard any facts...of course, as the Romney campaign stated....we will not let the facts get in the way of our campaign. A laid off teacher let's see...unemployment, food stamps, cannot pay federal income taxes, medical bills go unpaid, foreclosure, bankruptcy. Every single one of those laid off workers could have had the same outcome. I guess I presume you are an Ayn Rand believer just like Paul Ryan and many of his colleagues. An atheist, absolutely free of any regulation capitalist, if a few of the weak, the poor, the sick, get left behind so be it (who at the end collected medicare and social security)...like my mother who after 2.5 years of Alzheimer's, went through $55,000 is savings, $50,000 in long term care insurance, $1,000 a month in social security, $600 a month in medication costs, who died while we were applying for here Medicaid Or the Trisomy 1 miracle child who is 6 years old and needs constant attention (paid by medicaid), so his parents and shop, work and take care of their other two kids. These are the people Romney, Ryan and company would leave behind. Even the nuns are against you Repubs. Just to be clear, I am an accountant, my wife a nurse, we do not believe I am arrogant enough to say WE KNOW. So,l go away with your rhetoric and talking points and in the end do not collect social security or medicare. Vote for R&R, Obama will win big.
ho-lee-cow
Keeping an entire industry manufacturing quality products from closing its doors is saving many Americans their jobs and many small businesses their livelihood.
Executing the bailout required by Bush Administration policies saved the banking system EVERYONE relies on.
40 million people on food stamps keep food producers from going out of business from the farmer to the grocery store owner.
There is no telling how many lives around the world were saved by the President's pursuit and elimination of the Al Qaeda leadership and ending the war in Iraq.
Many other things that could be saved (infrastructure that is crumbling, for example) remain stopped in Republican Congress. Is that enough saving for you?
I was listening until a few minutes ago about the chatter about the effects of the stimulus on the economy, both in general and specific ways.
I am 77 yeas old, a widow, and my late husband and I scrabbled to save enough to supplement our social security. Six years ago, (before my husband died) we were getting 5.3% interest on our savings, which provided enough for a few extras like magazine subscriptions, dental care and home maintenance. Now I am getting 1/4 of 1% (if that)...essentially NOTHING. And the government is content to ride out this depression on the backs of elderly savers like me. And, at the same time, we are being accused of parasites for accepting Social Security and Medicare.
Does anybody care to comment on how, while other elements of the economy are being subsidized, we are being stolen from?
Mrs. Romney's biggest concern if her husband were elected President would be for his mental well being. Mrs. Romney is voicing concern for her husband's emotional stability. Wow! Join the crowd. Romney seems addled and unbalanced. He's off kilter. He seems as if he may indeed be psychoactively medicated. Ya' gotta wonder if he'll make it to the election. Mrs. Romney just enabled a trap door for Mitt. He could perhaps disappear from the race if his stability is in question, and Mrs. Romney just put the issue on the table as to the emotional stability of the Mittster. Ann's questioning of her hubbie's stability seems to immediately disqualify Mitt from reasonable consideration for the highest office in the world. Ann Romney in effect just declared her husband to be unfit for the office due to questions regarding his emotional/mental well being. One now wonders if Mitt will resign the race. .
First, One of the overlooked aspects of M$tt$ 47% comments was that he was asking for or implying that needed/wanted the non-47% to be open-minded and tolerance of his ideas and give him a fair listening to…while in the next sentence he condemns others for not giving him a chance. His condemnation shows he is extremely intolerant (of others situation) and closed-minded. If independents want what they say they want (i.e. people to listen, work together, and solve problems), then M$tt$ is not their man. Second, Democracy Now did some reporting last week (9/20) on Bain Capital closing a factory in Illinois and moving the jobs to China. Nobody else has picked up the story. Why? Third, Obama has changed Washington. Bush’s idea was an Ideology drives policy and then cherry pick some evidence if you have a few minutes. Obama changed that to evidence driving policy. Conservatives like the evidence to fit the ideology (notice them freaking out about the polls), and M$tt$ will return Washington to the days of Bush.
First, One of the overlooked aspects of Mitts 47% comments was that he was asking for or implying that needed/wanted the non-47% to be open-minded and tolerance of his ideas and give him a fair listening to…while in the next sentence he condemns others for not giving him a chance. His condemnation shows he is extremely intolerant (of others situation) and closed-minded. If independents want what they say they want (i.e. people to listen, work together, and solve problems), then Mitts is not their man. Second, Democracy Now did some reporting last week (9/20) on Bain Capital closing a factory in Illinois and moving the jobs to China. Nobody else has picked up the story. Why? Third, Obama has changed Washington. Bush's idea was an Ideology drives policy and then cherry pick some evidence if you have a few minutes. Obama changed that to evidence driving policy. Conservatives like the evidence to fit the ideology (notice them freaking out about the polls), and Mitts will return Washington to the days of Bush. (I wanted to repost my comments without the $ in Mitts name that was disrespectful of Mr. Romney, I apologize)
Peksa mentioned the maker of socks has less value to the final product than that of the NFL refs. That brings the value of unions of greater importance to the worker. No union...the worker is gone...period. With a union...the value of the sock makers to the corp increases a hundred or thousand fold; so at least it gives them a fighting chance.
Thanks to Bill Fletcher's comment about Netanyahu's comic like bomb presentation at the U.N. while oppressing the Palestinians. NO WAR WITH IRAN! After ten years of war, a war crime in Iraq and a tragic quagmire in Afghanistan with thousands of Americans killed and wounded, trillions of wealth expended, you would expect that Americans would be loathed to engage in another war! However, we hear again the same drumbeat for war with Iran by the neoconservative misinformation chorus that another potential "Mushroom Cloud" threatens! Israel holds the U.S. in disdain, for it believes it has unlimited support of the American Israeli lobby, the religious right and the neoconservative Republicans in Congress. Whatever forces of moderation exist in Iran will disappear when the first cruise missile or smart bomb strikes Iran! The Iranians will prove to be a different enemy than the Iraqis with long term asymmetric warfare possible on a global basis, not restricted to the Middle
East but to include Europe and North America. NO WAR WITH IRAN!
Ahmadinejad speech: Israelis are not Jews and American leaders are not Christian
youtube.com/watch?v=PrWguVsEih0
Mitt's carefully contrived self image is now facing the harsh light of reality. Mitt's wife is questioning his emotional stability. Mitt is coming face to face with ..... himselves. Sometimes folks who spend their lives confusing and contriving may themselves become confused and contrived in older age. They themselves may lose track of actual reality after a life of confusing reality with contrivance. Mitt has a carefully crafted self persona of caring and religiosity and truthfulness which simply does not coalesce with much of the actual reality of his professional life and his obvious dishonesty and devious deceitfulness. Romney presents a personality dichotomy and his subconsciousness, along with his wife, is perhaps noticing the schism. In reality Mitt Romney may simply be psychologically unfit for office.
I was a bit dismayed while listening to your union discussion. Please see a few blogs and posts which discuss the concerns in reference to our teachers' unions and the referee "CRISIS".
And this is the sad state of our nation!
Isn't it ironic that the news stations and many fans are more upset about a second-rate referee making a bad call in a football game, but they are not so worried about untrained, novice TFA teachers practicing on our kids for 180+ days and then ditching the profession?
No wonder the teaching profession is doomed.
Will the politicians and corporate reformers be working to dismantle the referees' union as fiercely as they are the teachers' union?
Your show is one of the very few I watch anymore.
Will you be able to post the video, or at least the text, of your Wont Back Down statement in reference to the billionaire funding of this propaganda movie?
The links didn't show up...so here is an excerpt:
Referees for America?
September 27, 2012
Jersey Jazzman takes note of the media hysteria about those NFL referees who replaced the experienced, unionized referees. Even Governor Scott Walker was upset when the inexperienced referees made a call that led to a loss by the Green Bay Packers.
Do we need "Referees for America" to step in when the unionized referees go on strike? Apparently the football lovers of America say no.
Maybe experience and qualifications matter.
And remember how the media piled on teachers in Chicago for their outrageous salaries? Was it $56,000, $74,000?
Well, a reader sent this important information:
The refs make $150,000 for 6 months of part time work. They want $200,000. I haven't seen those numbers thrown around in the media. Every time they talked about the teachers in Chicago they threw out the bogus $74,000 average salary. Then some pundit would always add they only worked 8 months out of the year as well. Everyone bemoaned the greedy overpaid teachers.
I was watching Morning Joe yesterday and Joe Scarboro, who couldn't get enough of trashing the teachers in Chicago last week, was up in arms over the greedy NFL owners refusal to pay for experienced refs.
Chris Hayes asked his rightie guests if they are Republicans to which they replied affirmatively. Chris Hayes on the other hand has not identified himself as a Democrat. He instead uses the term liberal, but does not identify himself politically.
Why?
Is Hayes following Maddow's example? She masqueraded as a Progressive for years but recently admitted that she isn't a Democrat, and now refers to herself as liberal. She has dropped the Progressive identifier from her self identifier name tag. Now she's just liberal without any identified political party affiliation. She's not a Democrat and there are really only a couple of other possibilities, she's a socialist or a Green Party afficionado or she's simply unaffiliated.
What's up with Hayes and why is he not identifying himself as affiliated with the Democratic party? It's probably because he is not a Democrat, imo, and he's doing the Maddow switcheroo.
MSNBC actually only has a couple of clearly identifiable Democrats imo., O'Donnell and Sharpton. . Matthews for instance is a pro life, conservative leaning fellow who votes right and left. Perhaps he is a blue dog, but in Matthews' Catholic world, his conservative pro life stance seems to be an overriding ideaology. Is he an actual Democrat, well perhaps most of the time he is. Schultz is an ex Republican who straddles the aisle but recently seems to be settling into a sort of Unionist persona. Wagner doesn't identify herself as affiliated with the Democratic party and stated that she prefers a strong 2 party system. She came from Huffington's arms and Huffington is the biggest Obama basher in the country and is known for her political schizophrenia.
But what's the deal with Hayes? Is he masquerading ala Maddow? Is he a Democrat? Is he a socialist? Is he a member of the Green Party, and why won't he identify himself as to political party affiliation as he asked his right wing guests to do?
Why?
@ reveal5
Why are you so keen on finding out their political affiliation?
I remember a YouTube video in which Hayes stated that he is a "social democrat". That would be centre-left by West European standards.
Hayes is to the left of Maddow. And Maddow is to the left of the Democratic Party, which is centre-right (at best) by West European standards. I stopped watching Maddow, because she is not left enough for my liking. My guess is that Hayes is a supporter of the GPUS.
Corporate America uses far lefties who present themselves as Democrats to bash Democrats and the President. I posted opposition to Maddow's claim of being a Progressive for about 2 years before Maddow finally admitted that she isn't a Democrat. Now she just says that she is liberal. She forgot about being a Progressive, because she isn't a Progressive. A Progressive in the common understanding of the term is a Democrat. Doctor Maddow is a corporate liberal pundit and so is Chris Hayes. American political media is reliably corporate. Corporate American media bashes Democrats from the left and the right. Maddow was a champion Obama basher in 2010, before the Democratic party got shellacked. That's a problem. Chris Hayes may be on the same corporate pundit path. I'd prefer to see Mr. Hayes come out of the political closet because I'm an actual Democrat. Gobama 2012!
Well, the Democrats deserve to be bashed, because they behave like Republicans Lite. Besides, Maddow and Hayes are not far lefties or even lefties. They are left-leaning centrists.
Apparently, you watched a different TRMS than I did, because I don't remember any Obama bashing. If anything, there was a tiny bit of slight and indirect negative criticism.
I define the terms exactly vice versa.
progressive = left-leaning, neither Republican nor Democrat
liberal = centrist, Democrat
conservative = right-leaning, Republican
Do you know that this guy orders the killing of (innocent) people? He's a terrorist. He belongs behind bars, not in the Oval Office. It would be nice if you people could manage to elect a president who doesn't want to kill anyone.
You're one of the "special" folks.
And that means what exactly?
Does Joy Reid identify herself as a Democrat? Has she stated that she is a Democrat? She did say that her father was a conservative. MSNBC seems to prefer quasi Democrats to actual Democrats. Why is that? One obvious answer is that corporate American political media, ala MSNBC, prefers lefties who will firmly smack around Democrats and President Obama from the left, ala Maddow,Chris Hayes and Ed Schultz, as well as offering criticism of the right. What MSNBC lacks is actual Democrats. Gobama!
Conservatives will continue on their journey through the back of their mind. A journey that is necessary only because they are so obstinate of taking even one step towards the left. Therefore, they must continue moving to the right through libertarianism, through liberalism, and finally back to the middle of the continuum which we recognize as democracy. They're just crazy. Plain and simple. Crazy.