Tomorrow on Up w/ Chris Hayes we'll be dissecting Wednesday night's presidential debate. We'll examine the "Obama brand," look back at the president's past debate performances and discuss the similarities between Mitt Romney's sudden tack to the left and President George W. Bush's "compassionate conservatism." We'll also examine the return of "fuzzy math" when it comes to Romney's and Ryan's tax plans. And we'll look at one of the most galling moments of the entire debate: Romney casting himself as a crusader for financial reform, despite fierce Republican opposition to the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill.
Joining Chris at 8 AM ET on MSNBC will be:
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), currently serving her 11th term in Congress, senior member of the House Committee on Financial Services, ranking member of the Subcommittee on Capital Markets & Government Sponsored Enterprises, chief deputy whip.
Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize winning economist, a professor at Columbia University, and author of the book "The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future."
Karen Hunter, (@karenhunter) MSNBC Contributor, distinguished Lecturer at the Film and Media department at Hunter College, formerly of the Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Daily News editorial board.
Dedrick Muhammad,Senior Economic Director at the NAACP
Joy Reid, (@TheReidReport) MSNBC contributor and managing editor of TheGrio.com, a division of NBC News.
Avik Roy, (@aviksaroy) a member of Mitt Romney's Health Care Policy Advisory Group, Senior Fellow at The Manhattan Institute and author of "The Apothecary", the Forbes blog on health care and social insurance reform.
Alexis Goldstein, (@alexisgoldstein) a former vice president at Merill Lynch and now an Occupy Wall Street activist.
:: Blogged by Katherine Guthrie (@kguth1130), production assistant for Up w/ Chris Hayes ::
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History tells us that when wealth accumulates in the hands a few people at the top we have a depression. A healthy economy bubbles up it does not trickle down. But to do this does take redistribution. It take transfer payments that takes money from the rich to that they have to earn it again by starting businesses and making and selling products. The only problem is that for this to be a correct and morally right thing to do you have to be a utilitarian. You have to say that the right thing to do is harm a few people for a greater good for a greater number. There are rich people in Afghanistan but they have dirt roads in cities with mansions.
Right! I'd say it's way past time for some kind of Class War, right? Get the masses together and seize the assets of those silver spoon trust fund babies like the Kochs, Rove and the rest. POWER TO THE PEOPLE , man!
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How would it harm Mitt Romney to tax his capital gains at 25%, I pay 25% with Work and 25% hurts. Mitt Romney does not have to lift a finger.
His company destroyed viable companies, for profit and that does Nothing for the economy!
w00t for Alexis!
Extra twinkles for getting Stiglitz on too. This show should be way way interesting.
Live televised debates move too fast and encourage popularity performances, not a debate or contest of ideas. So how to improve them?
Don't broadcast live. Advise the contestants that the debate will be fact checked and each point they make will be independently verified and a tally will appear below them.
Speakers that go over time will be edited to the time allotted.
This approach would replace strident opportunism with direct accountability. People could then judge the debate on both the performance and accuracy.
The media has no reason not to do this with this rolled in gold content.
How to improve? How about one debate with no visuals and no face to face. They debate by typing without prepared notes and for each turn have a limit of a half page and 15 minutes for composition. Computers are clean but have spelling/ grammar checkers. Candidates are isolated from advisors or any source of communication.
The day long debate is not broadcast in real time sotheir is no pressure on contemplation- their interchange is released at the completion of all turns.
Now, who can make this happen?
I wonder if there will be any discussion of the apparent new repub strategy to go all out on race baiting (see debate comments inferring that Obama is just like "my 'boys' lying to me" and John Sununu's 'lazy and disengaged' likening Obama to the pizza delivery 'boy' comments? Racism, nah, of course not!
Also the fact that the Rombot2.0 seemed to lift a lot of his 'zinger' lines straight from Carter-St. Reagan debate?
I wounder, how much bacon grease does hayes use on his hair everyday?
Next can't wait to watch him spin the out come of the debate into one sided event.
You are a real fool! I’d like to know what pharmaceuticals Conservative wackos take to achieve such low grade thought processes or to think it’s good to vote for George W. Bush and then Mitt Romney in one lifetime.
GOP = we love tools that are too stupid to vote!
Republicans - "Send them to hell in 2012"
Oh look, one more keyboard warrior.
Hayes looks like he sticks his head in a jar of vaseline.
Add in the tinted glasses.
Come on Chris, O either was tired from the night before with some serious task we cannot know of, or he's back to thinking non-confrontational is the way to go(worked well with congress.right)
Oh yea, I forgot my refrain: "FACTS ARE IRRELEVANT WHEN YOU ARE MOTIVATED BY HIGHER POWERS' Mitt fibbed!
"Obama's not angry, not aggressive." Obama and his advisors know nothing will excite the right wing scaremongers like making him out as the "angry-black-man."
So true. (the rich, powerful, old white boy network knows how to get to the less educated, low income white voters who just might prefer the white candidate...not matter what Mitt says!
That damn commie Liberal Mitt Romney has destroyed the Republican party... and none too soon. lol
talk radio call: "Obama lost the debate? WHAT? Come on… I don't understand all the negativity since last night's Presidential debate.
I think what President Obama did is genius. He did what he always does with Republicans, he lets the Conservative monkeys have enough rope to hang themselves with. Romney told lie after lie after LIE, and now it's up to average Americans to help Obama/Biden call him on it…
The American punditry are looking at style when all Obama cares about is content. I actually thought the President swayed disgruntled Republicans last night with his cool demeanor and soft spoken style instead of the Romney sketchy, fast talking salesman moments..." end call
What he was thinking during debate: "...like some Aryan meth-head put crystal in his diet Cherry coke. Jeez look at he man on video, smacking his dry lips with lies… and ohhhh my lord, is Mitt rubbing his privates?
Did anyone want Obama to come out like Ali 's rumble in the jungle? Of course I'd like to see Obama come on like Malcolm X calling Romney a white devil but THAT doesn't win elections. Mitt Romney LIED to the American PEOPLE during a Presidential debate, does that sound right to anyone?
IT'S CALLED STRATEGY! Obama/Biden are counting on unconditional love from their base, President Obama attacked from the center right to attract Independents and Republicans who are disgusted by Romney/Ryan BS. Mitt the Twit will spend the next week taking back EVERYTHING he spoke during the debate. "Trickle down government" my skinny white ass, right?
By the way Jim Lehrer reminded me of a puppy dog humping on Mitt the Twit Romney's leg"
© 2012 Frank from ABQ call to Ed Shultz radio show
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I wonder what the jobs #'s would be if obstructionist Republicans voted for jobs bill?
I'm sick of the BS rich white Ho's like Jack Welch(er) spread over the Conservative wacko airwaves. High gas prices is an organized effort to make Obama/Biden look bad before the election. Like what Big Oil did to President Carter with fake oil shortages.
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CAN I GET A WITNESS?
A poor woman came up to Mitt with a baby in her arms and asked: "Can you help us Mitt Romney?" … "Yes" said Mitt (he handed her a brochure from the Mormon church. Beautiful Ann gave them a hug while eyeing the cameras)
suckers, lol
Mr. Hayes, sometimes the conversation may not be so ...UP, so funny, so much fast talk...why not calm down now and then and discuss bias among so many white folks and how too many IMHO, rich, powerful white males have not looked deep within...ie Mr. Trump, Newt and all the rest of them - Joe Wilson - President Obama does not have to discuss - race - white guys show us their white bias everyday. I do not us the word, R— — — — because that stops too many white folks from listening, thinking.
Have you all considered the Machiavellian possibility that the Obama Campaign held back in the debate to prevent Romney from immediately crashing and all the Super PAC money moving to Senate and House races?
Have you all considered the Machiavellian possibility that the Obama Campaign held back in the debate to prevent Romney from immediately and totally tanking and all the Super PAC money moving to U.S. Senate and House races?
Jeez I just read that somewhere
I also believe that Prez Obama had a plan that night. Don't mention the 47% and give Romney a chance to beg forgiveness of 67 million viewers,instead had to do it on fox where no one is voting for Obama anyway. Then let Romney run off his mouth off because you know he will flipflop or perhaps LIE and you can use it the very next day. Then you know we CANNOT have an assertive Black President on stage Soooo Ok we'll set Joe on Paul Ryan next week,
an assertive white guy is OK Big Bird however was just a big gift from Mitt
Chris, the right's conspiracy theory on the job figures may be based on the psychological concept of projection. I'm not a psychologist, but people have been known to project their own values/behavior onto others. The far right is prone to cooking their own numbers, over-influencing the NFIB, for instance - the "independent" voice of small business - so of course they expect the dems to do the same.
The Plutarchy is in full attack mode, they have been trying to "Starve The Beast" for 30 years now and the results for the middle/ poor class has been devastating with a net Loss in income of 10% all the while the "Upper Crust" have had a net increase of 300%, they want Absolute Power!!
What I find truly astounding, is that diehard Republicans cannot see that the wealthy want their money too, and their Social Security, and their Unemployment Insurance, and their Medicare,,
Be Careful What You Wish For, You Might Just Get It!
Diehard Republicans do not care as long as their guns are left alone, abortion is abolished, Fortress America is set up to keep illegal immigrants out, etc. These are the 'real' threats to our society, not this fairness in taxation nonsense or providing healthcare to our seniors. So DO be careful what you wish for . . .
Diehard Republicans are the biggest bunch of sucker fools in the history of mankind! We must stop them before they destroy our children's future!
Ask Rep Waters what happened to Tyisha Miller and Irvin Landrum Jr.
the rich guys love when police protect them from the dark skinned peoples
Since when does blustering and bullying, telling 27 lies in 38 minutes constitute a debate win?? I think the President acted like he should have: presidential. Cool, calm and collected. Romney was a flibbertigibbet from the get-go.
flibbertigibbet,,, :>)
Wow!
What a discussion on the Banks!
Transparency is the saboteur of the uber wealthy, Mitt Romney's refusal to show his tax returns is a case in point, any law, regarding transparency, brought to the floor in congress is soundly defeated by Republicans.
I'm disgusted with the way Avik Roy thinks people do make it on their own and scoffed at the notion that the roads,bridges,post offices, etc... somehow contribute to people's "success".
Why doesn't he return to India and see how much success he has with that country's corrupt government and business regulatory institutions that require a great deal of bribes, their crap ass and unsanitary infrastructure that makes it extremely difficult to transport goods and services, their CRUSHING level of poverity that limits buying power, etc..
If you've been anywhere outside of the US then you understand it as FACT that everything that the US has to offer, that came at the expense of "we the people", is the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of becoming a success.
People don't have to pay bribes, pay private security and aren't limited by a LACK of adequate roads, bridges, potable water, electricity, etc...or an educated workforce with disposable income here thanks to US taxpayer funded infrastructure & public education for even the poorest. That's why people should pay an estate tax because they most definitely did NOT built it on their own.
Unless you want to go to a European nation where you will pay even more in taxes,but not have to worry about sky-rocketing health care costs.
You touch on one of the problems conservatives have in that many are the DECENDANTS of those that DID build the roads, bridges, post offices, etc. Success to many of these is increasing the quarterly didivend as if they had a hand in producing it. You never heard Steve Jobs talk like this - he always focused on developing the next NEW thing to drive his industry higher and did not worry about the taxes. He knew, just like Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, John D. Rockefeller and the rest what sacrifices are necessary to make capitalism work. Capitalism may not get along without their companies, but it certainly can get along without THEM.
Spoke to a friend in Vancouver BC last night. Folks in Canada watched debate on CBC. He said that polling showed a majority of Canadians thought Obama won. He said this was based on watching to men discussing the various issues with one man lying and one mane telling the truth. The guy who lied lost.
What a concept!
Great Saturday show. Mitt's hyper-jumpy debate performance plus the latest jobs data work well for Obama for this reason: Now, Mitt must display equal energy in trashing the economy between now and the election. Otherwise, he'll seem "tired" and "aloof" -- words used to describe Obama's debate. But Americans aren't buying it. The very small business entrepreneurs Mitt claims to represent hate big bankers who won't lend (Mitt's Wall Street pals) and hate people who trash-talk the economy (Mitt and the right-wing pundits). See Lexington's column in the latest Economist (Oct. 6-12), www.economist.com/node/21564214. Americans are way ahead of Mitt and the other professional doomsayers.